Theodore wrote:Thrasymachus wrote:The vegan community has found over its history that those interested in plant foods just out of touted health benefits easily exit the paradigm, because other diets tout health benefits, and because when things get hard, they will just adopt those other diets.
I'm aware of the claim, but I'm not aware of any evidence to back it up.
Well, I am not your or anyone's research nanny,
but on page of 2 of this thread, Norm makes the false assumption that Paleo fadists can follow the McDougall diet easier than vegans. There is lots of evidence that many members here are similarly
shopping around and they could jump to some carbohydrate starvation, meat based fad diet since the dominant fixation seems to be the Battle at the Bulge and touted health benefits over here. And McDougall is not the only one making those claims, infact those with the least results paradoxically seem to make such claims the loudest and win that aspect of the game.
However as someone observed in the
is Obesity a choice thread:
Tom Dylan wrote:
... For me, obesity was the result of faulty information.
...
The obese get faulty information from "experts," ...
So for one of the few ethical vegans who are fat or unhealthy, where will they go? Since they will abstain from flesh and dairy, there are only a few experts advocating healthy plant based diets: Neil Barnard, Dr. McDougall, Joel Fuhrman, Caldwell Esselstyn, Dean Ornish, etc. And where will the typical American go? South Beach diet, Paleo diet, Atkins, Zone Diet, etc. That is also where people who go on the McDougall diet, but who lack discipline and burn out will tend to go. They will fall into the ready arms of those advocating dangerous unhealthy diets with even more animal protein:
What I write is eerily similar to this:
Theodore wrote:I'm not entirely sure of the point that you're making here, but just out of interest, what do you suppose it is that makes people so anti-vegan ?
As
Charles Eisenstein observed the foundation of our society is that we are discrete and separate beings, apart from each other and nature. Thus we feel insecure about our place in the world and seek to make as much of the world "me, mine", as that is the only way we can feel secure. A society based on domination and blood, does not want to see below the surface of its facade. The vegan and
larger animal liberation movement confronts people with what they do want to see. People want to remain discrete, separate and claim as much as the world for themselves as they can. Eating meat is the best way to do this in terms of diet, there is no way you can waste more resources to raise food and for health care, than by getting 40% or greater calories from animal sources.