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AlwaysAgnes wrote:I have two cans of baking cocoa in my pantry. One is Kroger 100% cocoa, and one is Hershey's special dark 100% cacao. Let's see what they say.
1 tbsp (5g) Kroger: calories 20, total fat 0.5g, sat fat 0g, total carb 3g, fiber 1g, protein 1g. Iron 4%. Vit C 4%.
1 tbsp (5g) Hershey's dark: calories 10, total fat 0.5g, sat fat 0g, total carb 3g, fiber 2g, protein 1g. Iron 10%. Vit C 0.
At those levels, I don't see the problem with this ingredient. If someone's going to make a dessert every day using 1 ounce of cocoa (or 5 tablespoons) and eat the whole thing, then maybe there would be something to worry about. How much of the fat in potatoes is saturated fat? How many potatoes does one need to eat in a day before it becomes a problem? How about brown rice? When does its saturated fat content become a problem? Perhaps when it's added to cocoa and soymilk and made into chocolate rice pudding and eaten by the gallon with a cup of almonds on top? I dunno, but now I'm wondering if my cocoa is expired.
frozenveg wrote:AlwaysAgnes wrote:I have two cans of baking cocoa in my pantry. One is Kroger 100% cocoa, and one is Hershey's special dark 100% cacao. Let's see what they say.
1 tbsp (5g) Kroger: calories 20, total fat 0.5g, sat fat 0g, total carb 3g, fiber 1g, protein 1g. Iron 4%. Vit C 4%.
1 tbsp (5g) Hershey's dark: calories 10, total fat 0.5g, sat fat 0g, total carb 3g, fiber 2g, protein 1g. Iron 10%. Vit C 0.
At those levels, I don't see the problem with this ingredient. If someone's going to make a dessert every day using 1 ounce of cocoa (or 5 tablespoons) and eat the whole thing, then maybe there would be something to worry about. How much of the fat in potatoes is saturated fat? How many potatoes does one need to eat in a day before it becomes a problem? How about brown rice? When does its saturated fat content become a problem? Perhaps when it's added to cocoa and soymilk and made into chocolate rice pudding and eaten by the gallon with a cup of almonds on top? I dunno, but now I'm wondering if my cocoa is expired.
OK, on my Nestle's can: 1Tbsp. 15 cals, total fat 1 g, calories from fat 5 (although 1 g fat = 9 cals), so this cocoa is 33% fat according to their Nutrition Facts, or 9/15=60% fat, according to the rough measurement.
I am not really nitpicking, but Agnes, many people on here have come from a place in which "OK" means "allowed" means "good for me" means "all I can eat!" I'd rather be forewarned about cocoa powder, and I really don't know why the labels and nutrition facts vary by 1000%, but I have a feeling there is a misplaced decimal in the labels.
AlwaysAgnes wrote: Oatmeal has fat. Quinoa has fat. Barley has fat. Even sweet potato has fat. Almost all foods are a combination of carb, protein and fat.
They are a holocausted people"..... So tragic, yet powerful.
I also agree with the concept that the world can only begin to heal itself when we decide to become one with nature again. How do we do that? I can't help but to think we are beyond turning back. We have such a rabid, swelling need to consume, and it would appear as a country develops they follow our model of consumption.
A caterpillar can eat up to three hundred times its own weight in a day, devastating many plants in the process, continuing to eat until it’s so bloated that it hangs itself up and goes to sleep, its skin hardening into a chrysalis. Then, within the chrysalis, within the body of the dormant caterpillar, a new and very different kind of creature, the butterfly, starts to form. This confused biologists for a long time. How could a different genome plan exist within the caterpillar to form a different creature? They knew that metamorphosis occurs in a number of insect species, but it was not known until quite recently that nature did a lot of mixing and matching of very different genome/protein configurations in early evolutionary times. Cells with the butterfly genome were held as disclike aggregates of stem cells that biologists call 'imaginal cells', hidden away inside the caterpillar’ all its life, remaining undeveloped until the crisis of overeating, fatigue and breakdown allows them to develop, gradually replacing the caterpillar with a butterfly!
Such metamorphosis makes a good metaphor for the great changes globalisation, in the sense of world transformation, is bringing about., as Norie Huddle first used it in her beautiful book Butterfly. Our bloated old system is rapidly becoming defunct while the vision of a new and very different society, long held by many 'imaginal cell' humans who dreamt of a better world, is now emerging like a butterfly, representing our solutions to the crises of predation, overconsumption and breakdown in a new way of living lightly on Earth, and of seeing our human society not in the metaphors and models of mechanism as well-oiled social machinery, but in those of evolving, self-organizing and intelligent living organism.
If you want a butterfly world, don't step on the caterpillar, but join forces with other imaginal cells to build a better future for all! http://www.sahtouris.com/#1_0,0,
Modern bacteria have obviously been able to change very quickly in ways that protect them against our lethal antibiotics—in Greek, ‘against life.’ To do this, they have to make changes in their DNA. Life, it seems, does not just wait around for lucky accidents to solve problems and improve things, but is quite inventive, especially under survival pressure. But just how do bacteria do it?
We can easily see with modern microscopes that bacterial DNA is a very long complex molecule formed into a loose loop inside the tiny creature. We can also see that bacteria come very close to one another and then dissolve parts of their cell walls long enough to create a hole through which they exchange bits of DNA. One or both of them leaves this encounter with a new combination of DNA from the two though no reproduction had taken place.
This information exchange, or communication system, of ancient (and modern) bacteria is at least as remarkable as any of their other inventions and no doubt is what made the rest of their innovations possible. We are just beginning to learn how it works and to recognize it as original sex!—something we thought had been invented much later in evolution.
Sex is by definition the production of creatures by a combination of DNA from more than one individual. Every time bacteria receive bits of DNA called genes from others, they are engaging in sex by making themselves the product of two bacterial sources even though they are not reproducing. This sexual communication system apparently belongs to virtually all bacteria of all strains, so that bacteria can—and do—trade their DNA genes with one another all over the Earth to this day! Thus these tiny ancient beings actually created the first WorldWideWeb of information exchange, trading genes as we trade our own messages from computer to computer around the world. We have speeded up their web by carrying them around the world on our ships and airplanes, to make contact in far places they might not have reached by wind and waters so quickly.
All bacteria can be thought of as one great holon with a common pool of DNA genes—a single live network or system covering our entire planet, even extending deep under its polar ice covers and into its below-surface fissures. Throughout this system the bacteria trade and recombine genes according to need and experiment. And their ‘Internet’ probably includes larger creatures, including ourselves, as we can see bacteria (and viruses, which may be their survival devices) coming into plants and animals to trade bits of DNA. Even before we made this discovery, we knew that no other form of life could survive today without bacteria. Why this is so will become clear as we watch the dance of life develop.
Chile wrote:I've seen Wonderslim cocoa at Whole Foods and Sprouts. Outrageously priced, though, so I don't buy it. I rarely use cocoa anymore.
VeggieSue wrote:And to get back on the topic of Dr. Greger, Dr. McD thinks so highly of him that his site is one of only 4 links on the Important Links page on the McDougall web site:
http://drmcdougall.com/links.html
VeggieSue wrote:Remember also that Wonderslim is *caffeine-free*, too. Dr. McDougall tells us not to drink beverages with caffeine and I'm sure that included foods made with caffeine, too. It's not just the fat.
And to get back on the topic of Dr. Greger, Dr. McD thinks so highly of him that his site is one of only 4 links on the Important Links page on the McDougall web site:
http://drmcdougall.com/links.html
VeggieSue wrote:Remember also that Wonderslim is *caffeine-free*, too. Dr. McDougall tells us not to drink beverages with caffeine and I'm sure that included foods made with caffeine, too. It's not just the fat.
elbow wrote:I've heard to avoid cocoa processed this way but don't remember why. Anyone know?
GeoffreyLevens wrote:elbow wrote:I've heard to avoid cocoa processed this way but don't remember why. Anyone know?
Won't hurt you but the process removes much of the antioxidents
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