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MikeInFL wrote:Is the WFPB woe considered a holistic movement? Are the WFPB dr's we admire considered "holistic" Dr's? I ask because is the AMA upping it's campaign against the alternative movement? What about these unusual recent deaths of alternative Dr's in a short period of time? I find this all disturbing:
"AMA Prepares Gag Order for Medical Dissenters"
http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/ama-prepares-gag-order-for-medical-dissenters/
"AMA Announces New Mandatory Vaccine Policy"
AMA..went on record urging state legislators to do away with the ability of parents to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children."
https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/ama-announces-new-mandatory-vaccine-policy
"Colorado House to Pass Forced Vaccination Bill: One of 18 States Pushing Corporate Drugs"
http://naturalsociety.com/colorado-house-passes-forced-vaccination-bill-one-18-states-pushing-corporate-drugs/
"Merck Created Hit List to "Destroy," "Neutralize" or "Discredit" Dissenting Doctors"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-creat ... g-doctors/
ON MAY 1, 2015:
"A bill was filed in FL previously, as well as in Congress on May 1, 2015 “The Vaccinate Child Act Of 2015” by FL (D) Representative Frederica Wilson and a press release issued that same day. The bill in Congress defines federal mandatory vaccination statewide. She is called into question with having direct ties to the pharmaceutical company Glaxosmithkline via a staff member, her Senior Advisor..."
http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2015/05/floridas-mandatory-vaccine-bill-filed-by-representative-exposed-as-a-pharmaceutical-front/
THEN THIS ALL STARTED ON JUNE 19:
"3 Florida holistic anti-vaccine doctors dead (1 confirmed murdered, 1 shot in chest) in 2 week period":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2dDU3WPZ_Q
Dr Jeff Bradstreet MD, controversial anti-vaccine Autism researcher:
-contributed heavily to the body of peer reviewed science implicating the vaccine schedule in autism’s etiology
-apparent “self inflicted gunshot wound to the chest“. June 19th, 2015
Dr. Bruce Hedendal, DC PhD Nutrition, Boco Raton
chiropractic and functional medicine
cause of death unknown, June 21st, 2015
Teresa Ann Sievers MD, 46, (Naples, FL):
-holistic alternative (nutrition, hormone therapy)
-murdered in her home June 29th, 2015
BlueHeron wrote:Short answer: no.
I haven't figured out how to do links on my phone yet, but check out Snopes.com regarding deaths of these doctors. This is bunk.
Maybe it depends on the costs of speaking out?all without anyone speaking out.
BlueHeron wrote:I'm not saying that there isn't debate about vaccines. But to frame it as "the holistic movement under attack" is inflammatory and seems to posit a widespread conspiracy against any medicine that can be considered alternative. Of course, doctors who believe vaccines save lives are very concerned about the backlash against them and are trying to take some sort of action before we have widespread deaths from preventable diseases.The success of vaccines is actually the cause of the problem. Americans today don't remember people dying of measles and whooping cough. Few remember the annual terror that polio used to be. So yes, there's a concerted effort to get people to vaccinate their children. I suppose I'd be OK with someone saying anti-vaxxer beliefs are under attack, to which I say, "Good."
But, as has already been pointed out, "holistic" is a wide category. I have heard Dr. McDougall state many times that he is not an "alternative" doctor, but some might include him under the term "holistic" because he advocates dietary solutions when possible. His beliefs are backed up by conventional science. He does not just say mammograms are useless - he shows that using published, peer-reviewed studies. Other doctors that would be considered holistic might be providing treatments that are useless or even harmful and are based on vague ideas rather than science.
But when you start suggesting that alternative medical practitioners are being murdered by the AMA or the government or whatever, that's when you lose me completely.
MikeInFL wrote:
Just to be clear I'm not saying AMA or gov is killing alternative Dr's. However, the FDA/gov can threaten to close down a Dr's practice, which it apparently did with Dr Bradstreet and some of the others, and that intense pressure can lead some Dr's to suicide.
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