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geo wrote:<rant>
Evey year we express hope that things are changing and all we really see is more people getting sick, despite medicine continueing with their new "breakthroughs" in treatments and medicines. And yet they still can't see the forest because they only want to climb the highest tree. And now we have the retirement of the greatest single voice in fighting this scruge we call the SAD.
Sorry, but I'm no longer hopefull that things will change. People are far to addicted to their manufactured foods, their hyper-palatable c.r.a.p. and the sodium, fat and sugar that make it so. Food manufacturers don't give a damn because its about the money and no one is buying truly healthy WFPB. The moneys not there and I doubt it ever will be. And those that claim they know what is truly healthy are still just pushing crap.
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geo wrote:<rant>
Sadly, its been almost a decade since this thead was started and we seem to be no better or more realistically worse than we were back then. Yet another decade lost. Chronic diseases rampant and continueing to increase. Everywhere you hear and see "plant-based" being talked about. We have another new generation of Doctors that undestand whats needed and yes we have an even bigger new set of Doctors that believe in the old Atkins mantra. One step forward, 2 steps back. And we are dieing sooner than before.
Evey year we express hope that things are changing and all we really see is more people getting sick, despite medicine continueing with their new "breakthroughs" in treatments and medicines. And yet they still can't see the forest because they only want to climb the highest tree. And now we have the retirement of the greatest single voice in fighting this scruge we call the SAD.
Sorry, but I'm no longer hopefull that things will change. People are far to addicted to their manufactured foods, their hyper-palatable c.r.a.p. and the sodium, fat and sugar that make it so. Food manufacturers don't give a damn because its about the money and no one is buying truly healthy WFPB. The moneys not there and I doubt it ever will be. And those that claim they know what is truly healthy are still just pushing crap.
Nope, I dont see things changing anymore. We are fighting a losing battle because those who truly care AND understand proper human nutrition are rare indeed and the wannabe's are quickly crowding them out. The cadre of McDougallers that understand and embrace the science is small and just seems to get smaller. We know the truth, and once we achieve that truth we no longer need to be here because new adventures in life open up. We "get a life" as it were. And no matter how many of us succeed in this woe...no one else cares.
They see our health and they just don't care. They have no interest in what they see as giving up what makes their lives enjoyable. It is unthinkable. They don't see what they can gain by just making a few changes in what they eat. Its too hard (when it really isn't). Lifes not worth living without (pick your favorite food). Food and my social life IS the only thing important and I just can't do that on this program. I'd rather be sick and die early in horible agony, than give up my food. The mantra of the deniers are many and just seem to increase with each passing year.
And in many cases we give up on them as well. Just take it slow, make a little change here and there, take baby steps, etc... We know deep down these things don't really work for most and never will. We struggle to figure out what will make people understand and change, but thats really just not going to happen. When people deny their sickness and where it comes from they will never change. Hell, even those of us that have succeeded took decades of convincing in most cases. And we are in the vast minority. Many of us that have succeeded can't even get our own closest loved ones to understand, let alone change.
So if I feel this way, why am I here? I don't know anymore. The science doesn't seem to convince anyone anymore. The program is just too hard... when all it amounts to is to eat starches, veggies and fruit, drink water and exercise a little. We make up all these rules about what to do, but fail to do whats really important. We worry about the minutia to the point of paralysis. We cant follow the program until we get every last piece of proper cookware/machine/gadget/special ingredient/superfood/etc... Excuses abound and everyday we just make more excuses for why we fail or just can't do it.
Starches, veggies, fruits, water, exercise...5 simple words. Nothing else needed to know. If its not one of those things, don't eat it, drink it, or do it. Whatever you stick in your mouth, is it one of those? If not then don't put it in your mouth. What exercise to do? It don't matter, just get
off your ass and move...30 mins a day. End of story. And yet even these most simple 5 words are seemingly impossible for people to follow or understand. They aren't really, but we make endless excuses that make them seem as if they are. Even to the point of letting yourself get sick and die early. We are truly curious creatures but I don't believe we are as intelligent as we think.
Starches, veggies, fruits, water, exercise... Why is this so hard to understand or believe or even accomplish?
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f1jim wrote:The really important take home message is Jeff's.
Don't let the inaction and half hearted efforts of the public at large influence the changes you have made. Don't let the media messages think the consumer market has provided the nutrition we need in everyday items marketed as healthy.
The real nutrition is still up and down the produce aisles and a few other select cubby holes in the supermarket and the vast majority of "food products" sold are generally worthless. It's much easier to give up and follow the crowd, but thats a well worn path to sickness and disease.
Be the odd man out and be proud of it. You will be rewarded with a quality of life benefit that escapes many.
f1jim
“Based on the primary AHA score, the proportion of US older adults with a poor diet quality significantly increased from 50.9% to 60.9%,”[/i]
And the food industry has made it super easy for this category to include many on vegan and PB diets. Just look at the abundance of vegan and PB junk food available that is marketed as healthy.
Jeff
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